Ep 451 · 11 min · Fri 4 Oct 2024

Danny Chia from Kelly+Partners Accountants | Checkout

Danny Chiha of Kelly+Partners shares why studying successful businesses and building a solid team are vital for growing a thriving e-commerce brand.

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In this checkout episode of Add to Cart, we sit down with Danny Chiha, founding partner at Kelly+Partners Accountants. With a hands-on approach Danny is on a mission to help e-commerce business owners understand the numbers behind their businesses, empowering them to make smarter, strategic decisions. Together, he brings a fresh, human take to accounting that moves beyond numbers and into the heart of business strategy. In this episode he talks about the tech he relies on, the key lessons he’s learned in helping ecom startups succeed. 

An Unlikely Shopping Habit

When it comes to his own online shopping habits, Danny had a surprising confession: he barely shops online at all.

“I literally don’t buy anything at all from the shops. My missus buys all my shit for me, rightly or wrongly,” he said, adding with a laugh, “Maybe that’s the accountant in me. I hate spending money!”

Danny’s laser-focus on managing finances is definitely something that trickles down to his own spending.

From Warehouse Floors to Multimillion-Dollar Brands

Danny has worked with many inspiring ecommerce clients over the years, but two in particular stand out. He points to Vic Gigliotti from Muscle Republic as an example of someone who built their brand from the ground up—literally. “We’ve definitely been on the journey since he started, and watching him go from sleeping on his warehouse floor to where he is today, which is still kind of going as hard as he goes every day, is quite inspiring to watch.” Today, Muscle Republic is a multimillion-dollar business, and Danny sees Vic’s journey as a testament to the power of persistence. 

He also talks highly of Geedup Co founder Jake Paco, whose relentless determination saw him rebuild his business from nothing. “For someone who’s so tough..he’s actually a soft guy when you talk to him, very in touch with who he is but also very strong headed in the way he approaches business. He always has an idea that’s so different to what everyone else is doing”. While Danny admits that while they sometimes argue about numbers, Jake always sticks to his guns—and it’s working. These stories show how important it is to stay focused, be resilient, and keep pushing through the tough times to achieve real success.

Turning a Logistics Disaster into a Success Story with the Right Tech

Having run the back end of his wife’s business, The Little Homie, Danny has firsthand experience with the impact of using the right tools to succeed in e-commerce. He remembers the early days when a huge Australia Post issue left them scrambling. “We had a massive Australia Post fuck up,” he said recalling a time where about 1,500 international orders got lost.

Danny and his wife were managing customer service manually via Gmail. “Every night from like seven o’clock… we were on the emails doing customer service…to like one in the morning, just going through a Gmail inbox, responding to clients.” It was then that they discovered Gorgias, a customer service platform that changed everything. “Gorgias took our customer service time from hours to seconds,” Danny said. For him, it was a game-changer in managing the chaos that often comes with running an e-commerce operation and a timely reminder for all of us, that we are only as efficient as our tool stack. 

Lessons from Nike and Amazon

Hannah loves to stay inspired by tuning into podcasts and diving into great reads. One of her favourite podcasts is The Diary of a CEO by Steven Bartlett, Danny is a big believer in learning from the successes of others, and two books that he highly recommends for anyone in ecom are Shoe Dog, which unpacks the struggles Phil Knight faced in building Nike, and Working Backwards, a book about Amazon’s journey. Danny recounted that Shoe Dog is “ a raw look at the ups and downs of building a brand…It shows how difficult the journey is, but also how rewarding.”

Working Backwards has also shaped his thinking, particularly when it comes to using data to improve business operations.

There’s a chapter in there… all about data…how Amazon got into the detail of their website visitors…I think it’s a really good… reality check on what it takes to build something in terms of knowing the numbers and the data,”

Walking in the path of these retail giants we can see that by combining grit with data-driven decision-making is a sure-fire way to grow a successful business.

Building a Team That Aligns with Your Vision


One of Danny’s biggest challenges at Kelly+Partners is recruiting people who align with the company’s vision and goals. “We need people who get what we’re trying to do—who want to help e-commerce businesses grow,” he said. As Kelly+Partners expands into the U.S. and Europe, finding the right talent becomes even more critical. “Our growth can only happen as fast as we can find the right people,” Danny explained, highlighting the importance of having a strong team to fuel that expansion.

However, recruiting for accounting roles isn’t always straightforward. “It’s tough because accounting is not seen as the sexiest career,” Danny admitted. “You know, we’ve got to break the barrier of what being an accountant is versus what people think it is.” Kelly+Partners is actively working to change that perception by fostering an environment where accounting is about more than just balancing numbers—it’s about helping businesses grow. 

For Danny, it’s about finding people who are not only good at what they do but are also passionate about the big picture. “The technical stuff is the easy part—debits will always equal credits,” Danny explained. “But finding people who align with the business, who fit into what we’re trying to build, that’s the challenge.” In other words, building a team aligned with your vision is crucial to driving growth. It’s not just about skills, but about finding people who will be linchpins in carrying out your mission.

Balancing Strategy, Growth and Leadership

Through his work with e-commerce businesses, Danny Chiha shows that success isn’t just about understanding the numbers—it’s about balancing strategic decisions with strong leadership. True growth in e-commerce comes from a focus on data-driven insights, building aligned teams, and taking calculated risks. It’s about creating a solid foundation, making informed choices, and leading with vision.


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[Voiceover]: Welcome to the checkout. We catch up with previous add to cart guests and ask them five quick questions to get to know them better and leave you with a little extra inspiration to get through your Friday. Here's your host, Bushy.

[Ad]: Today's checkout features Danny Cheah from Kelly

Nathan Bush: Partners Accountants, an ASX listed company with branches in Australia and expanding globally. Apart from being a rugby league international

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Nathan Bush: the Northern Beaches branch in Sydney, working with around 50 e commerce brands including his wife's with turnover running from $50,000 to $50,000,000. Danny, thank you so much for joining us on the checkout. We had a great chat on our main episode around all things doing at Kelly Partners empowering E commerce business owners to get to know their numbers and to take the right risks. So that was fantastic. But we're here to learn more about you. Five quick questions. Let's go learn more about you. After the dinner we had actually that's

Danny Chia: you got the real stuff then. That's the real stuff.

Nathan Bush: Number one, what is the weirdest thing that you've ever bought online?

Danny Chia: I can't top that story. Not even close. And if I'm going to be 100% honest, I lit and it's probably bad. I literally don't buy anything at all from the shops like my missus buys all my for me, rightly or wrongly. So probably the weirdest thing is I don't shop for myself. As a fully grown man, you've seen

Nathan Bush: the numbers, you know, shop online, you know, all the margin in it now

Danny Chia: I don't shop full stop. Anything I have to buy, she sorts it out for me. I'm really, I get, I get. I'm like overwhelmed. Shopping, hate it. Maybe that's the accountant. Maybe it's the hate spending money in me as the accountant.

Nathan Bush: Yeah, yeah, all right, all right. Number two, which retailer has most inspired you recently.

Danny Chia: I've got probably two clients as well, I'm going to say Muscle Republic. So Vic at Muscle Republic, I don't know if you know, I know of them.

Nathan Bush: I haven't spoken to Vic though.

Danny Chia: He's probably worth having a chat with to be honest. But just we've probably been on the journey since he started or we've definitely been on the journey since he started and, and watching him go from sleeping on his warehouse floor to where he is today, which is. And still kind of going as hard as he goes every day is quite inspiring to watch. Like grateful to be on the journal and journey with him and we've had a lot of fun kind of watching that. And probably the boys that cheat up, I know that Paulie would have mentioned them to you guys when he was on but they've been clients for, you know, a lot. We, we actually introduced Paul to them. So bending clients for a long time. And watching Jake, same kind of thing. Like he started that brand 12 years ago, went to nothing, shut it all down, rebuild it back up again and what he's doing now and, and I think the thing that's inspiring about Jakey is for someone that's so tough and, and this like exterior is actually really nice. Like soft guy when you talk to him, really in touch with who he is but also very like strong headed on the way he approaches business. Like he has an idea that's always so different to what everyone else is doing and like I'll argue with him all the time because I'm you know, numbers and whatever I'm like doesn't make sense. But he's so sure of himself and it's obviously working. So yeah.

Nathan Bush: And I love those stories who doing phenomenal numbers and things when you're looking into them but they don't chase the headlines.

Danny Chia: Yeah, yeah, it's great. So yeah, so probably those two.

Nathan Bush: And you mentioned Step one in our main episode which everyone can go back to from a publicly listed ASX growth perspective. Some phenomenal numbers in there. You called them out as one of the highlights.

Danny Chia: Literally unbelievable in terms of their numbers. So I use them as a benchmark when we're benchmarking other brands now. So yes, definitely like step one I recommend for all E commerce owners like every six months, Step one adore Kogan Booktopia. They have to publish their financials online and like an investor summary online. And as part of that investor summary they literally go into like what strategies they're doing markets. Like you could you can't get a better insight into what's going on. It's free. It comes out every six months with new data. Like if you need to know, Certified. Certified. It's audited, like. No, it can't be.

Nathan Bush: Yeah. Gross margins are actually correct.

Danny Chia: Yeah. So if you need, if you want to get a bit of a free lesson, like they're easy reads and.

Nathan Bush: Yeah, that's such a good tip. And it's often got like above and beyond stats in there, like customer lifetime value and stuff. I know. Adore beauty, go into a lot of depth around their customers and their lifetime value, which probably they're not. Don't have to. But they want to put it out there.

Danny Chia: No, no, they. Well, they're trying to keep the share price up. So if you think like everything they're putting in those decks is meant to be, you know, put the business in a good light. So they're always trying to kind of promote the good things they're doing. But it obviously gives you a bit of insight into what other brands are doing, what the biggest brands in the country are doing.

Nathan Bush: Love it. Great tip, Danny. Name a piece of tech that you or your business couldn't live without going

Danny Chia: back to Jess's business. The little homie. The early days of that. We've ordered a thousand books, landed it in Vic Muscle Republic's warehouse. He let us kind of put them there. It was only one pallet, so he let us dump it there and we shipped them out over a day. They're all pre sold. It was awesome. Then she ordered 10,000 books and those 10,000 books while they're on the container coming here, all sold out. And by the time they landed it was all in pre sale. By the time they landed, we were two days away from going to Greece for a wedding for six weeks. So we had two days to pack 10,000 books, hired a Kenner storage warehouse, had all our friends come, like Nat came, everyone came and packed books for us for a couple days, got them out. But there was a massive Australia post up and literally like every one of those 1500 or so of them were international orders and every one of the international orders, money. We had to sign the slips four times. Every, like got lost and we were in Greece every night. Me and Jess from like, everyone went out at like 8 o'. Clock. We had a little baby so we weren't going out partying. So every night from like 7 o', clock, everyone else has gone out drinking. We're on emails, doing customer service from 7, 8, 7 o' clock to, like, 1 in the morning. Just going through a Gmail inbox, responding to clients. Through that process, we found Gorgeous, which is a customer service software and literally, like, the greatest find ever. It took our kind of customer service time from hours. Like, it was amazing how that works. So Gorgeous customer service is literally. Couldn't live without it.

Nathan Bush: Perfect. Great tip, Great tip for Gorgeous. For customer Service, can you recommend a book or a podcast that our listeners should immediately get into?

Danny Chia: Book, like, inspirational story, I think. Shoe Dog by Phil Knight. Like the Knight Story. Love it. Gives you kind of a bit of a vision into the kind of work and you think business is hard today. Business has always been hard. The journey to get to be a successful brand, even if it's not as big as night, is hard. And that kind of reminds you that, you know the journey that it does take, the risks you need to take. Living on the edge forever, working two jobs, all that stuff has always been normal, so.

Nathan Bush: And it's not always linear. Right. It's up, down, it's not a straight line.

Danny Chia: Yeah, yeah. You feel like you're winning and the next day you're in court. Like, I really enjoy. Yeah, literally. So I feel like that's a really good book for that. Like, just give you a bit of a sense check. And the other one I'd say is Working Backwards, which is a story on its Amazon book. There's a chapter in there, I think it's like chapter six. It's all about data and the data around how Amazon got into the detail of their website visitors and things like that. I think it's a really good kind of, again, like a reality check on what it takes to build something in terms of knowing the numbers and the data.

Nathan Bush: Brilliant. Great tips. Thank you, mate. Last question I've got for you. What's your biggest challenge today?

Danny Chia: Nat touched on it. Like, it's all people. I need more people like Nat to send me really shit emails that they want to work for free so they can come. No, I think if you talk to most business owners, they'll say, like, everyone's shit. Finding good people's hard. No one wants to work. This generation is really hard. It's literally the same story for every generation, for every person. We work really hard here on creating the environment and being leaders that people want to come and work in. We do have the challenge of it being accounting in that it's not the sexiest career when you hear about it. So we've got to kind of break that barrier down of what being an accountant here with us is like versus what you think it's going to be like. So I think our challenge is yeah like breaking that barrier, starting behind the eight ball of what an accountant is to break that barrier of getting people in the door. Our kind of business, our growth, our customer experience can only grow to the extent that we can grow our talent and find great people. So we're forever on a recruitment journey.

Nathan Bush: And are you trying to recruit say new grads, experienced accountants? Like where do you normally like to bring people in?

Danny Chia: Good people? It doesn't like, you know, if we find good grads, we'll take the good grads. If we find good accounts would like we honestly it's just good people and we can kind of debits have always equal credits. That's not going anywhere. That part's the easy part of our job. So just trying to fill the gap on finding the natural. The natural kind of attributes of an accountant aren't necessarily what we're trying to find, I guess. So trying to find that right person that fits with who we are and what we're trying to be.

Nathan Bush: Beautiful. Well, we heard a lot around what Kelly Partners stands for in our main episode and I think that would be exciting for a lot of accountants out there who want to do business a bit differently and give that strategic input to business owners, especially in the E Commerce space. So Danny, thank you so much for joining us on the checkout. Really appreciate it mate. It's great to get to know you.

Danny Chia: Thanks mate.

[Ad]: Appreciate you to hear more from Danny. Ju back into episode 425 where Danny shares what an E Commerce business baseline gross profit margin should be. He also tells us the non financial KPIs that you need to be paying attention to and how much you should be spending on marketing.

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