Ep 453 · 7 min · Fri 11 Oct 2024

Hamish McKay from OrderEditing

Hamish McKay shares his journey of scaling a booming startup—while balancing fast growth, mental health, and the challenges of building a business in a new country.

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In this episode of Checkout, we sit down with Hamish McKay, the co-founder of OrderEditing, an innovative Shopify app that enables customers to edit their orders post-purchase. In the last 15 months the app has taken the industry by storm and now serves over 620 merchants including household names like Sheet Society, Represent Clo, and The Oodie. Hamish opens up about the weirdest purchase he’s made online, the tools that keep his business running smoothly, and the challenges of maintaining a work-life balance while expanding his company in a new country.

Spicy Shopping: Things Get a Little…Personal 

When asked about his most bizarre online purchase, Hamish didn’t hesitate: “Can I say sex toys? While he didn’t go into specifics, he acknowledged the humour in his admission. “It’s either that or clothing,” he added with a laugh. While it’s a bold admission, it’s a reminder that many of us use the wonderful world wide web to purchase more personal items that we might not want to buy in person. 

Represent Clo: A Brand That’s Built More Than Just Clothing

When it comes to inspiration, Hamish looks to UK streetwear brand Represent Clo, a brand known for its bold style and strong community ties. “They’ve built the coolest community surrounding a brand,” Hamish shared, expressing his admiration for the way Represent engages their audience far beyond just selling clothes. The founders of Represent host events like run clubs that bring customers together in person, creating a loyal following that interacts with the brand in real life. 

“I’m going to their run club this weekend in LA,” Hamish mentioned and is always excited to experience the brand’s community-focused culture firsthand. Represent Clo’s ability to connect with customers through events and experiences is a strategy that Hamish finds both fascinating and inspiring, especially as he continues to grow his own business. It’s an important reminder for us all that great brands are more than products or services, they create meaningful connections and communities. 

Organising the Chaos: HubSpot to the Rescue

Managing the rapid growth of OrderEditing requires structure, and Hamish swears by HubSpot to keep things running smoothly. “I live and die by HubSpot,” he said, explaining that he uses the tool to manage email follow-ups and track conversations. Hamish makes sure that every email has a task associated with it, ensuring that no communication falls through the cracks. “I add a task every time I send an email, even if it’s just to remind me to follow up in a few days,” he explained. 

This simple but powerful platform seamlessly connects data, teams, and customers, allowing him to stay on top of everything, even as his responsibilities multiply.

If I didn’t have a way to track conversations, things would get missed—it’s all about staying on top of those touchpoints. It’s a tool worth checking out for those juggling client communications, follow-ups, and the fast-paced demands of a rapidly scaling business.

The Power of Therapy: Maybe You Should Talk to Someone

As a passionate mental health advocate, Hamish doesn’t shy away from sharing the role therapy plays in his life. His book recommendation, Maybe You Should Talk to Someone by Lori Gottlieb, is a reflection of his dedication to maintaining mental well-being while navigating the pressures of running a business.

“It’s the best book I’ve read in the last three years,” Hamish said, praising the therapist-author’s ability to blend her clients’ stories with her own personal experiences. Hamish has been attending therapy for over a year, and the book’s themes deeply resonated with him. “Therapy has been huge for keeping me aligned with what I want in life,” he shared, underscoring just how important it is to stay grounded—even when life gets hectic. 

For something more light-hearted, Hamish recommended business podcast Underqualified, which is run by his friends, Sean Hark, Ed Holland, and Andre Barber. “They’ve got great guests and they tell a compelling story,” he said, highlighting the podcast’s fun, laid-back approach to business conversations. For anyone looking for a mix of good laughs and valuable business insights, this is a great listen.

Balancing Business and Life: A Founder’s Challenge in a New Country

Moving to the US to expand OrderEditing has been a big adventure for Hamish, but it’s definitely come with its challenges—especially when it comes to finding balance. “It’s been 7 a.m. to midnight, Monday to Friday,” he admitted, describing the non-stop pace he’s faced since relocating. But it’s not just the long hours that are tough. Hamish opened up about how hard it is to switch off mentally.

You’re hanging out with someone, but you’re thinking about work and tempted to check your phone.

Despite the constant demands, Hamish is working on carving out some downtime for himself, whether it’s through reading, listening to music, or just spending time with people who help him unwind. Adjusting to a new country and growing a business at the same time isn’t easy, but it’s important to always strive for a healthy work-life balance while still pushing your business forward.

Building Success with Structure and Balance

Hamish has shown that building a successful business isn’t just about rapid growth, it’s about finding a rhythm that works. His focus on maintaining structure, fostering community, and prioritising mental health demonstrates that scaling a business requires more than just hard work, it takes personal balance too. By keeping an eye on what truly matters—both in business and life—Hamish reminds us that sustainable success comes from a blend of passion and purpose and making space for yourself along the way.


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[Voiceover]: Welcome to the Checkout. We catch up with previous add to cut guests and ask them five quick questions to get to know them better and leave you with a little extra inspiration to get through your Friday.

[Ad]: Here's your host, Bushy Today's checkout features Hamish Mackay, the co founder of Order Editing. Hamish is a whip smart young entrepreneur who has taken the e commerce world by storm with his app that has rocketed up the charts and allows customers to make post purchase amendments after they've checked out. And it also allows retailers to self service those change of address and potentially upsell Post the checkout. Learning his trade creating merchandise for creators such as Mr. Beast, Hamish created Order Editing and has now expanded their reach globally, helping brands like the Oodie and Sheet Society revolutionize their customer experience.

Nathan Bush: Hey Mish, welcome to the Checkout. Thank you for joining us on our main episode where we heard everything around what you're building with order editing all the way from how you haven't even met your co founder yet after two years to how you got your first investment from one of your clients. But we're here to learn a little bit more about you. Five quick questions. Number one what's the weirdest thing that you've ever bought online?

Hamish McKay: Can I say sex toys?

Nathan Bush: Yeah,

Hamish McKay: I don't know if that's like wildly inappropriate or not. No, no, no.

Nathan Bush: It's whatever you want. And I depends whether you call them weird or not. How weird are we going into the sex toy land?

Hamish McKay: I don't know if I'm going to disclose that. Have you had that one before?

Nathan Bush: We've had a lot of people refer to it and say oh, can't tell you but you kind of know that's what they're referring to. But we've had other people say everything from butt imp for their wedding dress. There we go. There's a brutally honest one. But sex toys is it for you?

Hamish McKay: It's definitely the weirdest. I think it's either that or clothing.

Nathan Bush: Let's go sex toys. All right, number two, which retailer has inspired you most recently?

Hamish McKay: Oh, Represent, like massive, I think. Yeah, I don't know of any. They've got quite a lot of awareness in Australia, but the coolest community is surrounding that brand. I'm going to go to their run club this weekend in la. Like, there are thousands of people showing up to run with the founders of that company. I've never seen it happen before. It's awesome.

Nathan Bush: That's cool. Have you met the founders yet?

Hamish McKay: I have not.

Nathan Bush: So that's the goal. Love it. All right, number three, name a piece of tech that you or your e commerce business couldn't live without.

Hamish McKay: Yeah, I live and die by HubSpot. I'm we have just for follow up and whatnot. I've got this rule where every time I send an email, there has to be a task or a reminder associated with it to say, did this person reply? Or vice versa. Did I reply? And that is an absolute lifesaver. I never lose track of anything because I'm just like, task, task, task, task.

Nathan Bush: So talk me through that because I use HubSpot as well and I'm just curious. So you send an email and you're sending it through Gmail?

Hamish McKay: Yeah, through Gmail. So the integration, the extension and then I just pop it open, go task three days in the future, reply question mark. And just make sure that that email never gets lost.

Nathan Bush: Nice. And I suppose it send saves you from sending shit emails where you're just not wanting any action out of it. You're like, well, why am I replying if I don't want the action out of it? Exactly. All right, number four, can you recommend a book or a podcast that our listeners should immediately get into?

Hamish McKay: Yeah, maybe you should talk to someone is the best book that I've read in the last three years and I'm about across 100 books. So highly recommend that. It's written by a phenomenal therapist in America. She tells a beautiful story and she talks about some of the clients that she worked with, but also her experience going to therapy. That's a beautiful, beautiful story. And then a podcast would be the ones that my friends run. It's a casual business podcast called Underqualified, run by Ashan Haack and Ed Holland and Andre Barber. They've got great guests, and they tell a compelling story. It's a lot of fun.

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Nathan Bush: What drew you into. Maybe you should talk to someone.

Hamish McKay: I am a massive therapy advocate. I've been going to therapy for the last, like, 14 months. I. I just stopped when I moved overseas, but I've always gone to therapy, and I think mental health is really important. It's been something that's lived with me and lived within my family. And I remember when I went through this phase of getting quite focused on financial incentives, I also got very focused on life fulfillment and purpose incentives, because those can often clash and get very separated. So while I was becoming very motivated and ambitious, I was also like, I'm going to stay really aligned with myself and what I want from life, and a lot more than just like, a nice car or house or whatever it is that you might want. So I really lunged towards books like that.

Nathan Bush: That's awesome. And that really came through in our main conversation, where you were talking about the end goal is the freedom to do. And I just read the Psychology of Money, and it resonated with me. There is. There's a big difference between being rich and being wealthy is that rich is having a lot of money. Wealthy is the ability to do whatever you want with whoever you want, whenever you want. And I love that you've got that as an underpinning goal. Last one I've got for you, Hamish. What's your biggest challenge today?

Hamish McKay: Yeah, biggest challenge is time in the day, massively. And also being in a new country and not knowing anyone and being scared and terrified of that. Like, you're frantically sending out messages for coffee, and it's like, oh, why do you want to meet with this random in Australia? What's the meeting for? And I'm like, I just want a friend. That's definitely the biggest challenge, is finding time for myself outside of all the work and also just connecting with people. While you're trying to run a business and you're in a new country, it's easier said than done.

Nathan Bush: Well, if you're cool and you're in the us, reach out to Hamish. Hell, yeah.

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Nathan Bush: Hamish, thank you so much for joining us on the checkout.

Hamish McKay: Thanks for having me.

[Ad]: To hear more from Hamish, jump back into episode 437, where Hamish shares how the sales opportunities for e commerce brands should not end. As soon as the customer exits the checkout, he tells us why we should all be measuring cbt. That's cost per ticket as a key metric. And he shares his secret sauce into how he uses LinkedIn to share his story and create trust before securing the sale. Thanks for listening and until next time,

Nathan Bush: keep adding to cart.

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